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. you said grover norquist house of cards may come crumbling down. is the bigger problem revenue or democrats not wanting to give big cuts on entitlement? >> no. i think the bigger problem is grover norquist if you want to know the truth. he's the bigger problem because he threatens republicans with primaries. so you had several republicans who expressed that they were willing to moderate their view and that they felt their most important pledge was to the u.s. constitution and not to grover norquist. what did grover norquist do? he took their quotes, called them up, he had conversations with them and he read them line by line their quote and essentially threatened them with primaries. he's the problem. if grover norquist wants to run government he needs to run office. >> you have people like saxby chambliss to indicate they were backing away from their pledge. grover norquist gets on the phone to them in the last several days and report of phone calls are that suddenly chambliss is going back a little bit maybe on what he had to say. so, i mean, do you think that his influence h
-- >> by the way, a long time before the tea party existed or had a name, grover norquist, the famous anti-tax lobbyist in washington, was running around beginning to enforce ayatollah-style his edict about taxes, and he got republicans beginning back in the '80s to sign these tax pledges, which, as i say, that tax pledge has really become the core identity of the modern conservative republican party. >> okay. we got a new candidate fred barnes, he's a smart conservative. he's not some crazy. he would like to give the tax cut at a million. here is what he wants to do. an increase in the individual income tax rate for the affluent may be unavoileable. obama did spend the last two years proselytizing for such a hike and voters were well aware of it when they re-elected him. but the white house has said that the rates don't have to return to clinton era levels. obama's nemesis as he often told us are millionaires and billionaires. so why not urge that the higher tax rates be applied only to those with incomes of $1 million and not the couples earning more than $250,000. now, i'm talking pure
wants a balanced approach. where are the cuts? >> grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform, author of the no-tax-hike pledge, but some people ar -- wants everybody to hold the line, but some people are weakening. i things starting to soften up there? >> tom cole, republican from oklahoma, a very astute politician, was it very honestly and openly a politician before he got elected to congress, and said that we ought to take the deal and cut taxes on 98% of people, basically rid ourselves of the fact that most people other than charles c., that the republicans have become the party of billionaires' and millionaires in this debate. that is what happened in the election of 2012. that really is a continuing problem for republicans. that is what you are seeing to it is not just anti-grover norquist movement. it is a realization that they have a political problem. >> a lot of positive signs for a deal. one is that grover norquist, who is kind of a ridiculous figure, it has been exposed as that and people are walking away. businessmen are in town saying we want predictability, and
the man behind the republican pledge not to raise taxes at all, not to raise tax rates, grover norquist. here's here. we'll get reaction from him as well in our roundtable. but first, i sat down with secretary geithner at the treasury department late friday. mr. secretary, welcome back to "meet the press." thank you for having us at the treasury department. >> good to see you. >> you are the president's lead negotiator. you have been to capitol hill. you presented the president's offer. and it immediately was not received well. it was called by republican leaders unserious. they have accused the president and you are wasting precious time here to avert the fiscal cliff. was this the intended effect of the president's first offer? >> what we're trying to do is to make it more likely. we come together on a good agreement for the american people that extends tax cuts to the american people. brings our long-term deficits down. tough spending savings is part of that, and invest in things that matter to the american economy, like infrastructure, and getting americans back to work. we think we
stood by what he said, even though it flew in the face of what others like grover norquist are most afraid. grover norquist, a lot of influence on tom cole, the man behind the anti tax pledge, "outfront." >>> and nato warns syria any use of chemical weapons will bring international response. what does that mean? that means the united states. what will the president decide to do. >>> and the president heading into his second term plans to shake up diplomatic ranks. one report says he has his sights set on "vogue" editor anna wintour. or that printing in color had to cost a fortune. nobody said an all-in-one had to be bulky. or that you had to print from your desk. at least, nobody said it to us. introducing the business smart inkjet all-in-one series from brother. easy to use. it's the ultimate combination of speed, small size, and low-cost printing. of washington about the future of medicare and social security. anncr: but you deserve straight talk about the options on the... table and what they mean for you and your family. ancr: aarp is cutting through all the political spin. beca
is the author of "blackwards." coming up, what's the real story with grover norquist? who is this slick-talking firebrand we see dazzling the media with analysis like this? >> the president was committed -- elected on the basis he was not romney and romney was a poopy head. >> jennifer: oh, if it wasn't sheer force of personality, how did grover norquist accumulate so much power? plus, high cholesterol and low pay, america's fast food empires have built their fortunes on an unhealthy dose of each but it is the low pay that's got us worked up tonight. later, karl rove and dick morris get banned from fox news for getting it wrong! begging the obvious question... could a fox news ban of its entire network be far behind? you are in "the war room" on a wednesday. we're just getting started. stick around! [ male announcer ] lifts to clear obstacles. ♪ ♪ lowers to cut drag. rises to every challenge. the class exclusive air suspension in the new 2013 ram 1500. and earth. guts. glory. ram. >> jennifer: you're back inside "the war ro
said, even though it flew in the face of what others like grover norquist are most afraid. grover norquist, a lot of influence on tom cole, the man behind the anti tax pledge, "outfront." >>> and nato warns syria any use of chemical weapons will bring international response. what does that mean? that means the united states. what will the president decide to do. >>> and the president heading into his second term. one report says he has his sights set on "vogue" editor. and may have surface pores where bacteria can grow and multiply. polident is specifically designed to clean dentures daily. its unique micro-clean formula kills 99.9% of odor causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains, cleaning in a better way than brushing with toothpaste. that's why i recommend using polident. [ male announcer ] polident. cleaner, fresher, brighter every day. [ ding! ] losing your chex mix too easily? time to deploy the boring-potato chip decoy bag. then no one will want to steal the deliciousness. [ male announcer ] with a variety of tastes and textures, only chex mix is a bag of interesting. how
caucus, and that's grover norquist, who is not a member of this house, to say that the pledge that people should honor is the pledge to the u.s. constitution and not the pledge to grover norquist. >> speaker boehner was on fox news on sunday, and he says as he described negotiations, we're nowhere, period. we are nowhere. 29 days to go. we have some analysts such as our first read team that say the real negotiations won't begin until mid-november. already you have wall street and everyday people bracing for another 11th hour situations. how would you categorize where things stand right now 29 days out? >> well, i think 29 days in politics, as you know, is a very long time. i actually feel confident that we will reach a proposal. i say that because i know speaker boehner and his caucus does not want taxes raced on every single person in the united states. there is a proposal sitting in our house right now passed out of the senate that would maintain the cuts for 98% of the u.s. population. >> we will talk about that a little later in a move that was mentioned by nancy pelosi. you express c
? last week, republicans were saying they were ready to throw grover norquist under the bus. yesterday they proved grover is still in charge. john boehner releasing a fiscal cliff plan but of course, refusing yet again to raise taxes on the top 2%. there you got it. it is not john boehner. it is not mitch mcconnell. it is not mitt romney who's in charge of the republican party. it's a lobbyist by the name of grover norquist. we'll get into that and a whole lot more. first, here's the latest. today's current news update from lisa ferguson. joining us as always from our studios in los angeles. good morning lisa. >> hey bill, good morning everyone. president obama is warning syrian president bashar assad not to use chemical weapons saying that would be a tragic mistake and that assad will be held accountable. u.s. officials are reporting that syria has ordered military chemical corps to be prepared. now syrian state television claims the country has no plans of using chemical weapons, no matter the circumsta
counter broker and the man who does not believe in unicorns, pink or otherwise, mr. grover norquist. grover, what a day to have you on the show. thanks for joining us. >> absolutely. of course, you know, north korea and -- media announced they did find unicorns in north korea. >> we don't often take our cues from them. i am one that firmly believes in the existence of unicorns somewhere and hopefully maybe in this fiscal cliff deal. grover, the first question i have for you is this, your pledge, the pledge that many republicans have signed on to, opposes any and all efforts to increase marginal income tax rates and opposes any net reduction or elimination of deductions and credits unless matched for dollar by further reducing tax rates. closing loopholes and ending deductions would seem to increase the tax burden that americans are paying to the federal government. given that, do you support the proposal put forward by john boehner? >> well, because the proposal is significantly amorphous, you could get those revenues through economic growth and we don't really have things nailed do
explode. plosion they start with some ridiculous premise. people from cnbc like grover norquist is the guest you know will start with a premise that is not favorable to the president on the fiscal cliff. >> they take grover norquist seriously. seriously enough to have him on the panel. >> stephanie: who is he again and why? why does he literally -- >> i have a pledge. i got a pledge! >> stephanie: he was all threateny. if you thought -- >> i've got pictures of people doing naughty things. >> stephanie: he's like tea party two is going to dwarf tea party one. oh grover! [ ♪ dramatic ♪ ] scared grover. >> the tea party kind of crashed and burned of its own volition. >> stephanie: people are on tv threatening the president. here's the thing. i found this great piece in the "wall street journal." we've talked about this before but here's what i hate is we start from the premise that this president has been such a crazy spender. [ cuckoo clock chimes ] this is why i find handy dandy charts so helpful. the
of there, he can become a kind of cross between grover norquist and the jim demint he always was. he can drive these hard right ideas, but he can also sponsor hard right candidates in republican primaries. i think he thinks he's going to be more important at the heritage foundation than he is in the senate. >> let me ask you about that, john. it looks to me not just -- the money is always a draw for some people, i'm not sure it is here. he would have been chairman of the commerce committee if the republicans had won this fight for the senate. they lost it. is it just one of the things that happens when your party loses, you look for something better to do? >> i think this is better where he's looking for a different platform where he can have a louder voice and concentrate on the issues he wants to. >> he's the chief recruiter on the right. he liked christine o'donnell and he ended up rooting for people pretty hard on the right like toomey in pennsylvania, mourdock, akin. he tried to run ron johnson against him. he wants to move the republican senate to the hardest possible right positio
to grover norquist. that's why they're willing to shut down the government. they're not taking an oath to the constitution of the united states but an oath to grover norquist. if you do things like that you shouldn't have the right to try to continue to shut down the government and use the debt ceiling as a weapon. >> finally, congressman, there are reports the president may ask congress for $50 billion for hurricane sandy, you know, to cover costs of relief and rebuilding. do you expect that to even be held hostage as well by region sn -- republicans? >> yes, do i. >> so no agreement on fiscal cliff, no agreement on debt ceiling, no agreement on this either? >> that's because they are obstructionists. they've turned the win into a partisan political instrument. they've turned the weather into a partisan political instrument. we have a solution to thisç 37e have introduced a discharge petition. we think that we shouldn't be holding the middle class hostage. everyone agrees the first $250,000 in income should receive a tax increase. i believe it should be higher in some areas like lon
on "now" tomorrow when americans for tax reform president grover norquist joins us tomorrow at noon eastern. and after the break, entitlement reform hot potato. that's next on "now." music is a universal language. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors who get where i'm from. and tools to estimate what my care may cost. so i never missed a beat. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for more than 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. >>> the vast majority of democrats on capitol hill would prefer not to have to do anything on entitlements, would prefer frankly not to have to do anything on some of these debt and deficit problems. if you look at the numbers, then medicare in particular, will run out of money and we will not be able to sustain that program, no matter how much taxes go up. i mean it's not an option for us to just sit by and do nothing. >> that was president obama in the summer of 2
about that let's show what grover norquist had to say. he's the anti-tax pledge crusader. this is what he had to say yesterday. >> tea party two will dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> that's like say anaconda two will dwarf anaconda one. the sequel will be more intense. a poll find out last week that they found a majority of americans will blame the republicans in congress not the president for failure to make the deal. as we hear what grover says you see at any time other way. you say it will be the democrats. >> it could be. depending on what happens. if they keep posturing we can go off the fiscal cliff it won't be such a big deal i don't think that's where most democrats will end up. you they are president and a lot of people down in washington saying they don't want to go off the fiscal cliff. as far as grover norquist notices, i don't think republicans should be caving to a special interest of one, frankly. we do see some brave republicans coming out there and they should be supported because they are about finding a solution. >> i want to show this tomb th
miles on every purchase, every day! what's in your wallet? here's your invoice. >>> grover norquist thinks that the tea party will revolt until republicans keep tax rates low on the rich. we'll see if he's right about that. that's next. and later in the show, you're going to meet the last word viewer who impressed me so much with his online comment about the show that he works here now. that's coming up. ♪ ♪ mom? dad? guys? [ engine turns over ] [ engine revs ] ♪ he'll be fine. [ male announcer ] more people are leaving bmw, mercedes and lexus for audi than ever before. take advantage of exceptional values during the season of audi event. >>> under my plan, first of all, 98% of folks who make less than 250,000, you won't see your income taxes go up a single dime. all right? because you're the ones who need relief. but we're not going to be able to get it done unless we also ask the wealthiest households to pay higher taxes on their income over $250,000. the same rate we had when bill clinton was president and our economy created nearly 23 million new jobs. >> that's from a new
if they go over the fiscal cliff. >> power panel, jackie, alfonso, thank you. >>> grover norquist is going to join my colleague, alex wagner, and discuss whether the republican plan meets his expectations. that's coming up in the next hour on "now ". >>> made in the usa. iran claiming that they captured a u.s. drone. >>> plus, prince william in and out of the london hospital visiting his wife kate dealing with extreme morning sickness after being diagnosed as pregnant. it's causing a lot of speculation, though, about what is causing this morning sickness. could it be twins? 28 days to go, who would you blame if the nation goes over the fiscal cliff? tweet me @thomasaroberts . also, with dedicated support teams at over 500 branches nationwide. so when you call or visit, you can ask for a name you know. because personal service starts with a real person. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. our support teams are nearby, ready to help. it's no wonder so many investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. can i still ship a gift in time for christmas? yeah, sur
a leadership position. they take an allegiance to grover norquist. give me a break. the allegiance should go to the united states of america were host: is your solution? caller: i would get rid of all of them, that's what i would do, thank you. host: will leave the bear. -- we will leave it there. caller: i have two questions. everybody keeps referring to social security as an entitlement. i paid into that, it is not an entitlement, it is mine. i have not heard any comments about all the people who pay absolutely no taxes at all. i will hang up. thank you. guest: social security qualifies as an entitlement in the sense that is not an annual appropriation. this is a technical term in washington that you get back much more than you put in and you qualify for it because of certain checklists we created wendell: was put together. in that sense, it is an entitlement, not different in medicare. host: here's a quick comment from one of our viewers -- guest: they are unwilling to pull the trigger and make the investments. you can say the problem is conference but we cannot read every business execut
and grover norquist has republicans on record i won't vote for a tax increase. are they really ending up here negotiating with themselves in a way that hurts their positions, vis-a-vis the president? >> certainly, they are, i think that the president is energized by the fact he thinks, look, i ran a lousy economy for four years, i left unemployment high, i increased the size of the debt and the deficit, i got everything i wanted, the place is a mess and look, i got reelected. so, what's so hard about me continuing to doing that and blaming it on them. obviously, i'm very good at that and that's base clr where he's going here and the republicans i think are not very good poker players, they're signaled they're relucks tennant to go over the cliff. if you're in this showdown, i is a, come on, bring it. >> paul: they will get blamed if that happens and the president is signaling that. that wouldn't be a pleasant outcome for them. you're saying they should suggest to the president we had he' be willing to do that and maybe he'll give at the end? >> yeah, i think they have to show that they are it
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from the right. the leader of the right's rebellion is, of course, grover norquist. he said the president has installed himself at loyalty, and boehner is not being sufficiently revolutionary. >> he thinks someone made him king. he doesn't have the mandate that he thinks he does. i think he takes us over the cliff because he has got blinders on. he doesn't see where he stands in the universe. >> jennifer: or where he stands? where the president stands? he's leader of the free world for goodness sakes. but back to the tea party senator jim demint, who was riding first class on the tea party express, he tweeted that boehner's propose is an $800 billion tax hike that will destroy jobs and allow politicians to spend even more. not so fast, demint. there is yet another front in this revolution. conservative columnist jennifer ruben dismissed demint's rhetoric and says the votes of demimit t al are no votes. oh please, smart and sensible conservatives should ignore the drivers of right-wing lunyie train and carry on. others think they're being punished for their votes. the committ
shoals of grover norquist. >> congresswoman, some democrats are saying that this is not the situation, it's not going to be mano, as we've been saying. what do you know about that in terms of how they are negotiating and is it the best for them to be one on one? >> well, i think it does not hurt for them to be one on one. i have to be concerned about what the leaders are saying about being excluded. but if we take this moment and if this is what they have decided to do, let them go in there and say something to each other, that they feel they cannot say with anyone else in the room and see if that's going to move this forward. i don't think it hurts to have them do one on one for a part of this negotiation. >> and as we get to the negotiations, what is the give and take. if speaker john boehner is, as our political director chuck todd says, ready to eat their own on the tax rate, do you go for 37 instead of 39.5 or 35? on what entitlements do you believe democrats are ready to eat their own? >> well, first of all, on the tax rate, i do think that this is some talk somewhere between 37 and
republicans to bring to step over to do this. and you're seeing grover norquist's grip fall apart. we really need to do this. this is a really important thing to do to improve the lives of young people. one thing to keep in mind, it is younger workers who are being hurt the most. the job gains are heavily among 55 and over. we don't want to have a society where we get cynical young people where there is no point in playing by the rules because you won't get a job any way. >> why not go over the cliff? if we go over the cliff, we're talking solving the financial problems. but we run the risk of another recession. i believe personally that we might dip a little bit, but it won't be anything like the first chart we showed. i mean, let's get rid of bush tax policy and start over. what about that? >> i think that that may well be a good idea. it's risky, ed. there's some risk as to what will happen. we don't know. but the fact is the government would then have all of this revenue. if it spends that revenue to create jobs and regardless of what the republicans say, government creates jobs all the
the election in 1992, and which we're still living, because that gave us grover norquist, et cetera. >> let's get to grover norquist in a minute, but i do have a question. the gop plan consists of $2.2 trillion in savings over a decade. that includes raging the eligibility age for medicare from 65 to 67. and lowering cost of living increases for social security benefits. they also propose overhauling the tax code to generate $800 billion in new revenue. but without raising taxes on the wealthy. in a letter to the president, leading republicans compared their plan to one erskine bowles drew up last year. >> not even close. >> he rejected that connection and the white house, of course, is hitting the road. we'll get to that in a moment. but here's my question. i've been watching the coverage of this and reading it. and there's a lot of liberals who were like, he won, ha, ha, they're so arrogant about it, it's hard to like them. because it's just not attractive. but he did -- >> yeah, he won. >> and he is going to the american people with this. and why can't the starting point of these negotia
to the heritage foundation he'll have to i think compete with the likes of grover norquist for the unelected leader of the republican party, because i think we'll hear from him and see a lot from him. i mean, you know, he may not have always picked candidates, thinking of murdoch and aiken, who won, but i would expect to see him continue to try to push the republican party, you know, as he did on the inside similarly from the outside using, you know, sort of the tools and the levers that the heritage foundation affords. i would just -- i would like to put in a plug for katon. i don't want to worry your chans so i'm going to resist giving my own endorsement, but you would be a wonderful addition inside republican party for voice of reason. >> look at that, katon dawson. take that the governor and see how much it helps you. >> karen just doomed my chances of winning because we don't agree on anything. i'm telling you, i put craig melvin's flame name in first th this morning. >> i'll say you're so unreasoning. >> i want you to speculate with me for a second. if it's not you, who else could it b
in the house are getting a lot of pressure from folks sort of the most rabidly anti-tax, grover norquist's good and a couple of other folks saying allowing any revenue, any rates to increase qualifies as a tax hike. >> yeah. but that's been their position all along. that was the central issue. taxes go up on the top 2% or they don't. right? it was obama versus romney. he keep come back to this that you heard bill crystal say what the hell are we doing as a party? even tom kohl said let's buy in 98% and get it out of the way and take credit for it. why is bajner refuse to go schedule a boat on that proposal. >> obtain doesn't have the votes. simple math, this is sort of the reality of washington. >> doesn't have the votes to block it? >> he doesn't have the votes to pass any kind of tax reform from his own caucus. they operate by a rule called the majority of the majority. effectively the house republicans will do whatever the majority of their caucus says is okay with. you know, they don't have that majority. >> if they deck -- okay. i am trying to understand
representative tom cole of oklahoma and the man behind the anti-tax pledge, grover norquist. they'll both be "outfront." the new film called "zero dark 30" sparking controversy. it's based on that raid that killed osama bin laden and some charge the obama administration gave the film's producer certain access. barbara starr will be with us about that. thanks for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. >>> we begin with breaking news. new signs tonight the syrian government could be preparing to do the unthinkable, unleash chemical weapons on its own people. the united states has new intelligence suggesting syrian forces now mixing the ingredients used to make deadly serin gas. a serious civil war has progressed. the obama administration has repeatedly warned even just moving chemical weapons would be a red line that could draw a swift response. just hours ago, president obama directly addressing the assad regime about this latest intelligence. >> today, i want to make it absolutely clear to assad and those under his command, the world is watching. the use of chemical weapons is and would be tota
. >> krystal, it's grover norquist versus the polls, actually, the polls actually tell us -- a new cnn poll shows that 45% of americans would blame congressional republicans if no deal is reached and 34% would blame president obama. i don't think grover is going to turn that around. >> no, i don't think grover is going to turn that around and i don't think that he's right that tea party 2 will dwarf tea party 1. >> he is so wrong. >> but i do think that there is true to the fact that there is already a backlash from the ultra right, grassroot tea partyiers that are still out there upset with boehner over his initial position, which is still quite far to the right, as you and ryan talked about in the last segment, doesn't even include any increase in the top tack rates at all. it still focuses on these magic, you know, reductions of loopholes and deductions that we've never heard anyone from mitt romney or anyone else be able to actually describe. >> let's listen to something that tim geithner said, his description of the republican's problem. >> they are in kind of in a tough position now a
of americans agree with him. we've got grover norquist and john boehner and a couple of the bat crap crazies, as you like to call them, holding the rest us hostage. >> they will all vote for this. do we go off the curb or the cliff and do you have to go back when someone asks you, why did not you vote for this on december 5th when you could have done it? why did you wait into january? let the markets crash. take that uncertainty out and cause the stress to the american families. >> i had democratic senators tell me months ago that they were hearing from a couple of republican senators in the cloak room that they actually need us to go off the cliff so they can then cast a vote that is purely interpreted as a tax cut no matter how you look at i. have you heard anything like that from any whispers from the republican side in the house? >> no. no. not in there. and it is strange. i would have thought a month, there is a different reality out there. >> it set in with you. >> it has. i said i've been reasonable to compromise. no, i don't think it has yet. and for me, what is so unfortunate about
and keep their seats and playcate grover norquist. >> they will have to go home and explain to their constituents, many middle class people why they didn't defend them, why they basically put protecting the 2% over protecting the middle class. that is not a position you want to be in at christmas time. >> luke, the democrats will have to give up something, are they not? we know look, the republicans don't have a lot of leverage here, but if they're going to take the debt ceiling off the table, there's got to be something given on medicare and social security? >> if there is to be a big deal, then one would suspect yeah, they would have to. i think there is a group of folks on both sides that realize this is a significant moment where you could actually do something big if you wanted. but the issue seems here, alex, as long as there's no movement on the 250, what really can you do? i'll throw something out there and i think it's interesting you mention tom coburn. because you're starting to see somewhat of a divide between elder senate republicans who have been in d.c., under
the pledge, and offending the grand inquisitor grover norquist, it's the one way they can let this happen. >> and, in fact, you know, what could happen, you can imagine a scenario where you go off the cliff on taxes, rates go up for everybody, you then vote to restore the rates for the vast majority of taxpayers, 98%, and further it is even conceivable you negotiate down the top rates in the level under bill clinton a little bit by putting in the pot offsetting deductions for credits which would allow republicans to claim some sort of victory as well. that could be a scenario where you have a consensus on the tax run. >> let's run all of this by representative xavier becerra of california. he's joining us now. nice to see you, sir 367 appreciate your time. what is really the white house dismiss kind of out of hand i mean i don't have the exact number of minutes that they had this republican proposal but it was not very many and they dismissed it out of, of hand after i thought geithner spent the entire weekend calling on the republicans to come forward with a plan. >> well, soledad, the p
're in crisis. host: to attend the wednesday meetings of grover norquist? guest: no. host: why not? guest: you have to determine how you'll spend your time. that's not the best use of my time. i think that is something necessary that he does. host: first call for armstrong williams comes from fred in michigan. caller: hi. i have two questions concerning the fiscal cliff. the cash cuts that republicans -- the spending cuts on medicare. why don't we allow them to negotiate medicare and to reduce the cost of medicine? that should save you a lot of money yearly. i agree totally about the republicans and democrats spending money stupidly just before the election. both sides voted to refurbish something like 170 army tanks that the army said they'd do not need. they went and voted to repair those tanks. why are we wasting our money? democrats want to cut taxes. host: armstrong williams? guest: we haven't gotten to affordable care and medicare and medicaid. if affordable care was administered correctly and if he did not have the special interest groups and if tort reform was not included, package you
and he won't be signing grover norquist's tax pledge. welcome to you and best of luck in the future. but before that we're going to have this interview. >> thanks, ms. witt. >> let's talk about what needs to happen for you to put your support behind higher tax rates. >> i think we need to look beyond that. we need to look at why are we here now. this is something that's been put off for several years. this is a continuing problem. and that's one of the reasons we ran. it was the career politicians either led up to where they're at or failed to prevent it. that was the message that resounded in our district and that got us here. it got to the point where we really don't care who broke it, we just want it fixed. we need to put america first at this time. >> i'm curious how much you were able to absorb in orientation. i ask that bought your fellow freshman ann wagner compared it to drinking from a fire hose. what is your take? >> i heard that analogy a lot. there was a lot of information. but it was exciting. the first week i did feel like a fish out of water. certainly that doesn't sa
to not provide a path for illegapal that can be perceived as amnesty. it's much like the grover norquist pledge on taxes, anything that sounds like they will be rewarded for breaking the law and they will get an easy past is considered amnesty. jon: ronald reagan did it, didn't he? >> yes. republicans are a natural homss, they believe, for latinos. they are the party of opportunity, and hard work, of entrepreneurs and they are pro family. they have to start to speak about these issues where it doesn't sound like they are breaking up families. the republicans are trying to promote for science, technology and engineering and math, whether it's a high skilled visa or a low skilled advice a whether it's farm workers, domestic workers who clean hotepal this is all immigrant labor, and this apalo has an economic component in addition to the fact that many of their churches are telling them we can no longer side with this anti-immigration position. so it is changing out from under them and i think they are going to look for a way that they can change policy without a political backlash. joons we will
that the grover norquist pledge is taken by people we need to raise revenue. the president has to lead and not follow from behind on cutting the growth in entitlements. when people say we are going to cut spending, no, we are going to cut the growth of spending. medicare, medicaid, social security and other discretionary things in the budget. the gap is too wide. other people have pointed out we need revenue at 18.5% of gdp. we need expenditures at 21%. another point that i would like to make is the consumer has pretty much tapped out. if you look at nominal gdp it was up in the last quarter, personal income is only up 3%. that is a bad sign people are just saving and in solving credit is going back up. installment credit is up 11.7% year over year. a lot of these factors do not bode well. dagen: thank you for shaking me up this morning, scott. it was great to see you, as always. terrific insight. scott bloch. >> thank you very much. connell: we will show you what it means for companies and whether others will follow suit. dagen: he is one of the gang of eight. mark warner from the ver
grover norquist for quite some time. you went to the meeting, his wednesday meeting. >> that's right. >> he has all the time with some of the most powerful conservatives in d.c. and across the country attending. what was their attitude about any deal that boehner might have to make? >> it's pretty interesting when you talk to house republicans because they look at boehner from two different perspectives. on one side, boehner went in front of the house conference and he said, i'm not going to back any deal that increases rates. so they feel pretty confident on rates. that's where i think "the new york times" comes from. on rates they think boehner is still with house conservatives. at the same time, there's a lot of raised eyebrows right now because just as boehner is promising not to buckle on rates, he's purging four conservatives from committee. >> i was going to ask you about that. now, newt, and bob livingston tried that with mark newman back in '95. that didn't work out well for him. we said we're going to vote against every appropriations bill that you put up now. and the next
are in the thrall of grover norquist, it'll be a rough, a long haul. host: what do you make of this process? guest: i loved senator simpson. he is such a wonderful person. i have not met anyone kinder or nicer than him who is willing to work with people on all sides. he is all about listening. people would say gets worse every year in washington. i'm a little bit of a contrarian. there is always tension. there's always a lot of pressure from both sides. what you typically have to have are these kinds of external pressures. that is what is going on today. i think there is a real issue of trust. one of the unique things is i remember the first days, and not just to talk about this. this idea that we kept most of the information within those walls. it built a sense of trust between republicans and democrats so we read able to get 60%. you have to talk to both sides. we do not do enough of that. it is a difference of opinion. the have to find common ground. host: bob is on the line from chapel hill, north carolina. caller: two specific questions. does your trillion dollar increase come from status sco
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